A collective of information and experiences with the cosmetics company Lime Crime and its founder, Doe Deere/Xenia Vorotova


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Asker Anonymous Asks:
Portland Black Lipstick Co.'s "The Purple Cloud" is a perfect dupe for D'Lilac and "Difficulty Island" resembles No She Didn't.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

Thanks for passing these onto me.

Asker artwife Asks:
The majority are pretty aware about Lime Crime but you DO know that all this page and the majority of hate-based pages do is actually advertise her products even *more*? For every 1 person you might be able to sway into not buying her products, there will be 9 that will WANT to try it out. Anyway the butterfly post could be that a "fan" submitted it to Lime Crime and claimed that was their work when it really wasn't.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

This isn’t a hate based page, this is a page based on providing the other side to a story that has been censored heavily on Lime Crime’s end. Judging by the sheer amount of hits I get on my dupe spreadsheets, I think people may like the look of Lime Crime products but actually want something more affordable or performs up to par. There’s plenty of evidence showing Lime Crime’s popularity is on the decline: online retailers putting their products on clearance or only stocking a few things, barely any press coverage, very few blog reviews etc. 

As for the Butterfly image credit, Lime Crime posted the image originally and did not say it was a user submission. The artist later confirmed her work did not use any Lime Crime products. Lime Crime has stolen or given incorrect credit on a number of looks posted on their Facebook page and Instagram accounts, so it’s unlikely this was simply someone trying to pass off someone else’s work as their own.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
I'm surprised you support OCC since the name mocks people with mental illness.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

I can see there are reasons to critique the name, especially since OCD is far too often used as an adjective for organized and picky when the disorder is nothing like that. When I first heard the name I was concerned that the company had picked the name with that misuse in mind; however, OCC’s founder David Klasfeld has self-identified as having OCD and I have found a lot of his explanations for the brand indirectly reference his experience with the disorder. I am glad to see though that stereotypes/misconceptions/ of mental illness aren’t part of the brand’s marketing strategy, campaigns, product names etc.

I also have OCD myself and understand why the name would make many skeptical that it’s not just a cash-in on how popular phrases like “I’m so OCD about…” are currently. Perhaps the name is also a way Klensfeld wanted to show people that the experience of OCD is not necessarily a fully negative one or at least another aspect of how his disorder affected his work as a makeup artist. Ableism is a huge issue and I hope my response doesn’t come across as dismissive, I just personally don’t see OCC as perpetuating stereotypes about mental illness.

Why all the LC DD hate? I've met Doe and she's super nice. And I can't live without my centerfucia lip stick. :D
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

I’m glad you’ve had a positive experience, but many others have not been treated with respect to say the least. Her treatment of Mai from Portrait of Mai, Christine from Temptalia, Lillian from Funny Face’s Place, and Amy Doan among others are why I could never support her as a person or her company. There are many issues with Lime Crime’s products not performing well or looking anything like what the swatches advertised them to be, among other things. Nearly everything worth noting or learning about is listed under the “Lime Crime: A Sordid History” tab on the side of the blog.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Your such a huge loser running these blogs about Doe and Vivi, we finally know who you are though!!!
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

While I’m glad you think my writing style is similar to someone who has much better grammar and syntax than I do, I only have time to run this one blog. 

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Have you heard about the Sassynpunk drama that's happened recently? She is a Lime Crime affiliate (Doe apparently says she is one of the top affiliates). Could Lime crime redeem themselves a little by cutting their ties with her and deactivating her affiliate account over the racial abuse and threats sassynpunk has made? It could be a good pr move for Lime Crime to do so or else it appears even stronger that they condone racism and horrendous business practises
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

I’ve been getting traffic from blog posts discussing what is going on with SassyNPunk, but before I only knew about the store in passing. What the owner has been saying is terrible and I fully support anyone choosing to boycott her company or no longer be affiliated with them. I doubt Lime Crime will say anything about it because they’ve done things in a similar vein; after all Xenia herself has made it obvious she has no interest in understanding anything about cultural appropriation and racism. 

Asker weaveasecret Asks:
So if all the things you are saying on here are true, how has she been seen so positively by people in the industry? If her business was really as scandalous as you say it is, she would have been reported a long time ago and had a formal investigation into her business. People don't just get away with these kinds of things, so this makes me question your resources. I also find it hard to believe that you have followed her since her launch, if its all from google its a pretty unreliable source.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

People have supported her and then dropped her immediately once they realized what she’s done. Many YouTube makeup artists, bloggers, and people who own their own lines like Poppy King have gone from supporting her to dissociating completely. There are multiple blog posts out there showing that the original eye dusts were identical to TKB and people did try to report her to the FDA and Better Businesses Bureau. Repackaging isn’t a crime in the United States, so besides having her PayPal account suspended for fraudulent advertising there wasn’t going to be much more legal action besides that. I’ve been aware of Xenia since around 2004 so I’m familiar with her patterns of behavior and how certain scams have come around over and over again. I’ve posted the most pertinent information here, but if you’re expecting police reports or peer-reviewed articles on Lime Crime that type of information isn’t available. There are however plenty of reviews, blog posts, and vlogs about her products.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Cosmetics expert or not, anybody can tell that it's not okay to use other people's art and not even give them credit. Usually when people are told, they'll apologize and add credit or take down the art as necessary. The fact that Doe thinks what she's doing is okay is pretty sad.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

Everything’s a free for all on the internet in their opinion, unless someone says something they don’t like.

Asker weaveasecret Asks:
You do realise that every single company uses each others products to make their own right? The whole business is about copying each other and marketing it as different from the rest. Just because you have some kind of dislike for Doe Deere doesn't mean she's the only one that does this, and if you worked in cosmetics then maybe you'd realise that, and realise this whole blog is just pointless. Anyone reading this who works in cosmetics is probably just laughing at it.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

Repackaging basic cosmetic ingredients isn’t normal practice for most cosmetic companies. There’s quite a big difference also between putting out something similar and copying formulas, packaging, and copy. Similarly, I don’t need to work in cosmetics to have the basic understandings marketing, chemistry, and what constitutes plagiarism. I’ve gotten plenty of feedback from people in the industry as well and they seem to like what I’m doing. If you don’t see this blog as serving a purpose to your personal interests then I’d suggest not reading it.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Just noticed that the glitters have been moved to the eyes section and the disclaimer has been removed. I wonder why.
doedeerelies doedeerelies Said:

They weren’t promoted very well as products for the face or nails so I’m guessing this switch is to boost sales.